Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:09 Welcome to the life refresh podcast. I am your host Brian Robinson. I'm so glad you decided to tune in to the podcast today. This podcast is designed for those who are looking to refresh and renew all aspects of their life and receive life. My hope is that through this podcast you are receiving exactly what you've been
Speaker 2 00:55 welcome to the life refresh podcast. I am here with my first guest, a great friend of mine. Her name is <inaudible> Rivera and she comes from the great country or of Puerto Rico. And one of the things is we were talking about in the last podcast is really finding out who you are. And knotty Meyer has been on a journey. I don't want to speak for her cause she has a great, great story to share. But um, especially coming from the perspective outside of the United States, it gives us an opportunity for us to think differently about who we are and what we perceive in as valuable, not just in our, in the United States and where we live from a cultural standpoint. But what about that outside of the United States? What about those individuals who have a different perspective on life. So I thought it'd be great that we could get some international flavor on this. Um, and introducing Nati. Marissa, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 02:02 Hi Ryan. I'm doing good. And it's my first time recording a podcast, so I'm a little nervous, but not really. Right.
Speaker 2 02:09 So, um, so tell, tell the audience a little bit about you, where you came, came from. Grow up. Let's, let's get your origin story.
Speaker 3 02:18 Okay. So I born and raised in Puerto Rico, in San Juan a all my life until last year that I moved from Puerto Rico to Columbus. So basically, yeah, 30 years in, living in an Island in the tropics, you know, speaking Spanish, everything in Spanish, eating Puerto Rican food and also learning English because my mom was in the military, so she always instilled, you know, in us this, uh, just learning about English and every chance she got, she was always speaking to me in English. And for me it was like annoying. But then after I started growing up and seeing that, uh, I could, I was reading books or watching cable television, like American TV channels and I had this other world that I was privy to that I couldn't have been if I didn't know English. So I had a little bit of a both things. So I, it wasn't like a mysterious thing this United States culture.
Speaker 3 03:34 But again, like I watch TV or you know, listen to music or whatever. So it's not like I knew American culture. I really, I knew it from the TV. It's, it's not the same at all. It's not so, so you just got here that's long ago, basically moved here basically permanently. So you've been really now immersed in American culture. So what is the biggest culture shock for you? Ah, man, the biggest I would say, I would say race. The race thing. Race thing. Yeah, just read a little bit. Yeah, just the, the, let's see how, how, like how evident the difference in race is or like how, how important people make it here. Like in Puerto Rico since if, if anyone, if, if our listeners don't know, in Puerto Rico we are basically, we're all mixed. We are a mix of our indigenous <inaudible> eh, heritage, which were the basically native Americans.
Speaker 3 05:01 So if a Puerto Rican does the 23andme test, you'll have a portion that says native American. But it's because they lump all the indigenous EI cultures in America is not, it doesn't mean that we're from Navajo or you know, some native American United States. If not, it's the indigenous culture in Puerto Rico, which were called the tidiness were also mixed with our colonial ancestors, which were from Spain. And then our slave, a lineage, because obviously, you know, slaves were brought to America by, by the colonists. So, so we're, I'm mixed. So our culture is also a mix. It's our representation of all of our, uh, heritage, which, which was not suppressed. Like our African culture was not suppressed. Our native American wasn't either. So it's all there. It's still much alive and we live in very day. So for me it wasn't a, it was an evidence, like it was just my, the way of living.
Speaker 3 06:14 So when I move here that the co you have a lot of conversation about racism and about races and like cultures and differences in cultures and this, uh, discourse that we have nowadays. And I started to question or, or started to take a look of my, at my culture and I realized that I, I know about my culture but not as much as I want. So, and also I realized that my culture has, is more, has more of an impact in my, my, if just in the way I am than I, than I thought. And coming here made me see things differently. So I am removed from the culture, the environment that I was in. So now I can see it from the outside and see that my culture and my heritage and everything that makes us Puerto Rican make, make, makes me what I, you know, what I am today.
Speaker 3 07:26 So in my coming here I discovered that I didn't know myself as much as I thought I had an idea, but it made me look deeper into who I am because of the culture change or the culture shock and, and like people asking you like for Puerto Rico and like they ask you questions about your food and Oh you like spicy food. And him were like, no, that's basically Mexican people, you know, or you know like Oh you, you know, stuff like that. And, and that makes you, you don't, you talk to people about who you are, but then you, you stay that in your mind. You start thinking about, yeah, like what is my culture like? Like the real and the real impact that it had on me. Like why is it that my culture is so that I didn't know it was so prevalent in me, but I didn't notice until I came here. So that's been, I think the biggest thing that I have found.
Speaker 2 08:38 So it sounds that you've had to readjust your perspective of your own culture through the lens of American culture a little bit because you weren't as a race conscious. No, no. In Puerto Rico we're mixed and,
Speaker 3 08:57 and we, we don't see, uh, like differences as much as people see here or, or pointed out Puerto Rico. We're not pointing out anything. We're just Puerto Rican. And that's not to say that we don't have colorism, which we do. That's, that's because in every culture there is, uh, uh, colorism or racism, but it's not us, us marked us here. Um,
Speaker 2 09:29 so you got a chance to be in real America. Right. So, um, with all that being said, what things about you have, you had to adjust, not just from a cultural standpoint, but now how you do, how do you fit and perceive yourself when you come to a new country?
Speaker 3 09:51 You know, uh, uh, I just, I don't think I have, maybe I have adjusted things, but I don't know if I have a, well, yes, I'm lying. I remember now. So the first thing that I perceived when I came here, my first day of, no, the day that I came here to interview, before moving, I met up with these coworkers that they took me out to or future coworkers took me out to, to have breakfast. And when I met them, I went to greet them with like a kiss on the chic and a hug like we do, we're very warm people in Puerto Rico and they like here, people don't do that. You know, either you just stand and wave and say hi or you, you give the other person that handshake or if you know them you can give them a hug, you know? But I went all in, you know, these people have never met and I was kinda nervous too, you know, and you're like, ah.
Speaker 3 11:08 And in that moment it's like they looked at me like, what is she doing? So that was my first shock of like, Oh damn. I mean America, I forgot, you know? Okay. So from then on it's like programming my mind that I need to stay, extend my handshake just to have a standard operating procedure. You know, very, very conscious about that. And also I guess my, my English has improved since I've been here cause practice makes perfect. So, so English has improved. Um, but apart from those things, um, I'm very, I'm very much the same. Like I haven't had to adjust I think what lesson about yourself. Okay. Have you learned so lesson about myself? So the thing is ever since coming here, um, I've been on a journey, like you mentioned I did. I have been on a journey and I'm still on that journey because now that I'm here that I am, I guess discovering myself from this other perspective out of my normal environment, I have started to, to know myself, to get to know myself.
Speaker 3 12:39 It hasn't, it hasn't been easy. It's been a bumpy road, eh, it's been a bumpy road. And I say that because I didn't realize that I didn't know myself as much as I thought I did. And I'm in here starting new and not having, I guess the same habits that I used to have, you know, used to go to work. Then I used to go to, you know, my gym and I had people over at my house or I would go out. That was in Puerto Rico, you know, I was always doing something, have friends, family, whatever. So here I don't have any of that. So I have a lot of more time with myself and that has made me start to think. Right. So now since you're spending a lot more time thinking, what has been the biggest mindset change that you've had to adjust for <inaudible>? So thinking, so when I say I started thinking more because now I have more time. It was like going back to basics. So now that I'm here in this new environment, out of my comfort zone, I can make it whatever I want. And that is the question, what do I want? And when I pose my question to myself, I came up with like not much.
Speaker 3 14:13 I ha I was, I was stunned that I didn't know. Yeah. Because like I said, when I was in Puerto Rico, I didn't have time to think about that. I thought I knew myself because I was doing stuff that I liked, but here that I'm not doing that stuff that I have this chance to then do other stuff that I like or want to do. I couldn't come up with anything. So that made me think more. Right. It's interesting that you, when you made the transition here, how you had to like slow down. Oh yeah. And not first of all just adjust but really create space by accident because you didn't know anybody. I mean you knew a few people. Right. But I did button, but not as many people as you knew back home. I don't have family. I don't have my best friends. I, I have, I know people, but it's not like I'm seeing them every day or hanging with them everyday or talking on the phone with them and <inaudible> have a lot of time.
Speaker 3 15:28 Yeah. You, you really disrupted your whole life in a good way, right? Yeah. And you know, opportunities and whatever may happen. But it really causes, and this is one of the things that in our culture period, we have a hard time slowing down and you know, we've sat down and had conversations and how busy we've, I've been, you know, yes. And I think it's something to be said and we don't have, I know you hate this word because I use it all the time. Margin of margin or, or just space for things in life. And what ends up happening is you end up just being a human doing than being a human beings just doing stuff. And you don't even have time to think about why you're doing this stuff. And if this stuff makes you happy, <inaudible> you, you don't even think about it cause you have to do it because, because I don't know.
Speaker 3 16:25 Yeah, I think, you know, and I'm one of the things that has triggered me is sometimes you forget you have the ability to choose. You can say no and say no, say no or change your mind. Yes. Because you might think, Oh I want to do this. And then you start doing it and you, and you realize you don't like it, you have the opportunity to not do it anymore. But people are afraid of letting other people down or, Oh no, like I, but it's not about that. It's like what are, this is your life, you are the captain, you're steering the ship and whatever you say goes. And what people forget is that they have that power like you said. Cause we're all caught up in this every, you know, day to day life and all our responsibilities. And, and when I moved here that I didn't have that day to day grind or whatever, that made me start.
Speaker 3 17:26 I had an opportunity to start over and I had to create that because if I stayed in Puerto Rico, I'm sure I would have been doing the same thing, you know, or thinking the same way. Uh, maybe I would've grown, but not as much as I did. Not as much as I feel now. I am another person and I didn't think I had that much to, to grow. I thought on myself, I'm pretty mature level headed. You know, I have my priorities in order, healthy person in general. But, but when I came here that I started to think about what I want my life to be that I came up with, not much that made me get to know myself. Because if I don't know what I want, then what? What is my life gonna be like? No one else is gonna choose for me. Right. And I can't just go along with the tide. I can't just go along with what other people say I should do because they don't know me. Right. But I don't know me. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 18:38 Especially nowadays when there's so many opportunities for us to find, everyone says like find your passion and all those kinds of things. But in the same voice, they always say like, you know, hustle hard. You get, you know, a team, no sleep. So the thing is, if you have this dichotomy of, in order for me to succeed, I need to go all in and dedicate everything to it.
Speaker 3 19:03 But what is success people? Success is different for everyone. And that's what we are missing. People are not thinking what is success for me, it's not having money is not buying a house. You know, this is what I've, I've seen like the recipe for success, the American way, you know, you go to school, then you have a job or go to college and get a job. Eventually you got a job. You know, you get married, you buy a house, you have the kid, you have the, the car, you know, you have this picture of what is the American dream. But people are not happy. People are on the PR, antidepressants, they're depressed, they haven't <inaudible> they, you know, they're unhealthy, overweight, whatever it is. There's many, many, many sicknesses nowadays. Everyone's on a pill, no matter what pill it is. Everyone is, Oh yeah, this like is normal when it's not.
Speaker 2 20:11 So is that, so let's take that, the American dream and that perspective from Puerto Rico, do you use, is there a,
Speaker 3 20:20 they're still in Puerto Rico, they're still that, that pressure that you know, your parents or your family's like, Oh, so, so you have a boyfriend. Like that's the important thing. Or, Oh like, how's, how's it going with your job? They don't ask you are you happy? They ask you these things and you think that's what you need to have because that's what they're asking because that's what they're asking because that's their perspective of what it means to,
Speaker 2 20:47 so in Puerto Rico you guys have the exact same thing but just different criteria.
Speaker 3 20:51 Right? It might differ in some things, but it's the same, I guess the same expectation like the society puts on you. Yeah. It's basically you have same pressures from society or your family or whatever that don't let you really think about what is it that you want for your life. You're just going along because you don't want to let down your family, you know? So when you're, when you're instilled that since you're a kid and you have, you know, the education system as well that doesn't promote, like when I, I used to be that kid that I would question everything, but the teachers didn't want to deal with that. They just want to get through their, you know, their programming and sometimes you put them on the spot and they don't know and they don't want to look like they don't know cause they're the T shirt. Right. You have some teachers like that, you know, and that quashes or that the free thinking. Yeah. And that, that thinking that you need to have to, to, to get to know the world around you and question things and get to know yourself and don't fall into traps that years later you you'll realize what am I doing with my life? Why am I doing these things that make me don't make me happy. Right. And you don't even know what things make you happy
Speaker 2 22:24 cause you've been doing what everyone else can do. It's interesting. Um, the matrix w when you were saying that the expectations, I was thinking about the movie, the matrix and how when you're in the matrix there is a certain, there was a certain code that said these persons would live and do these kinds of things and it was just the expectation. But when Neo got out the matrix, he had to like relearn how to breathe. He had to change his diet. He had to be able to adjust to the outside right
Speaker 3 22:59 world and the reality and the
Speaker 2 23:02 reality of the situation. Yeah. But the thing is what made him different, it was he was able to be unplugged from the matrix and go back in when he needed to with a unique perspective. Right. So I think sometimes what happens is when you get unplugged from the matrix, so to speak, you end up being anomaly, like an anomaly and things that people have adopted over the years and you start questioning that, right? They attack you. Yes. Like, like a, can't remember the guy, the guy with the glasses and the matrix. Yeah. That guy. He would always say, Mr. Anderson, he was the guardian of the matrix to bring that to school. Yeah. Yeah. Because they didn't want anything to disrupt, disrupt the matrix. Right.
Speaker 3 23:54 Vogue get wise and wake up and then start a and
Speaker 2 23:58 yeah. Yeah. Right. It's, it's amazing how opening our minds to different things and just asking questions about things. Yeah.
Speaker 3 24:07 I, I was able to do that because I removed myself from I, I exited the matrix of my comfort zone and that pushed me to like someone else might've moved. Eh also, but maybe that other person, which I think happened to me too. At first I, I tried to regain the life I had back in Puerto Rico. I joined the gym and I was like going out and meeting people, try to feel that time. I used to to go out during the week as well and just having the same mentality in a different place. But then I found eventually my ma, I had some friends that, that I was going through some things, I was feeling insecure, you know? And, but I didn't realize that. And some friends told me, cause they know your friends know your family knows you and when you are acting differently, they are the ones to tell you that the people that are closest to you, sometimes they know you better than you know yourself in certain certain times.
Speaker 3 25:14 You know. So these friends of mine started telling me like, what is wrong? What is going on? Why are you acting this way? Or why are you, eh, doing these things that this is not who you are or what they know they knew myself to be. So that made me question, okay, you're right. Like why am I acting this way? Why am I trying to fill this void that I was feeling with going out and meeting people? And it's not like that's what I used to do, right? Or what I, I don't know, made me happy. And I didn't realize that until they told me and I started questioning that. I'm like, okay, why am I doing these things all because I feel alone because I, I don't feel whatever it is in secure about me or my body, my weight, just so many things.
Speaker 2 26:12 So it, I think this is a great topic now that you say, like, I had people who could tell me that something was wrong because sometimes we are the last people to ourselves to know that something's wrong, right? Even we have to hire people, we have to hire doctors, we have to hire trainers to let us know like, Hey, you're doing this wrong. But you know, you're doing something wrong, but you don't know how to fix it yet. Right. And, uh,
Speaker 4 26:44 I think you just kinda hit on that a great point. How much of the people, how much influence did the people around you affect how you started to perceive yourself and, and start creating the changes?
Speaker 3 26:57 So the thing is that everyone has an opinion, right? But you have to be very discerning on who you listen. Absolutely. Right. So you can't just listen to everybody. You, so these friends of mine, I know that, um, they've, they've been with me through some lows, you know, and they, they, and I know that they have the best interest in mind of my best interest. So, so those are people that I trust. And also my aunt is another person that called me out too. She, she noticed, I was like, you're not happy. And she was right. And, and I knew that, you know, in a way, but I was feeling my time with stuff to distract myself from feeling. Yeah. Feeling bad or feeling sad or feeling less. So I'm trying to, to, to do all this stuff. To distract myself to not think about, and you don't, you do that like unconsciously even. So when someone points that out, you can either get defensive or, or, or you can look, look at yourself and, and see what is, why are they saying these things? And that is something that I do naturally. I put myself in other people's shoes and try it out, understand them. But then when someone says something like that to me, I have to step out of myself and try to understand me from an outsider's point of view because they're seeing something I am not seeing.
Speaker 4 28:52 That's hard. And that is hard as hard cause ego gets in the way. Pride. I know you've told me some things I'm like, not that, not that it doesn't come from a place of love. No, of course. But what it does is it challenges your way of thinking and you can't just immediately respond with, they try to reject it. I
Speaker 3 29:14 want to be wrong. No one wants to be wrong. No one likes to admit being wrong either. So it's just, I think human nature to get defensive. But when you have those people that you know love you, you know that they tell you things not in a attack way or a combative way, they're telling you because they love you and they just want you to be happy. Then you have an opportunity to instead defending yourself. <inaudible> taking it in. And maybe you don't realize it at that moment. Maybe at the moment that those people tell you though, those things, you don't really realize it, but you start thinking about it. It's all about your mind. Everything starts there. When you think about stuff, what do you like? Anything you do starts with a thought. So if we don't think about the way we're feeling, we first of all are not going to realize that we are unhappy and then we're going to keep doing stuff that will keep making us some happy.
Speaker 3 30:18 Until then it becomes, even as sickness becomes, your body starts to tell you physically, you start feeling bad. You can't sleep. I used to have, um, how do you call that when you, when you get warm during the night? Hot flashes. I, I used to not sleep well. I used to get half flashes and my skin was dull and I was going to Sephora and, and asking the lady what creams I need to buy to improve my skin. And the lady was very helpful and I would buy stuff and you said and think it was working. And that's what we do in all aspects of our lives, we think is something else that we're missing when in reality is that we haven't really thought about what is the root cause. So my skin was because I wasn't drinking water simple and free. Right. I didn't need to buy $50 creams. You know,
Speaker 4 31:23 you can't use the outward things to fix an inward problem. Yeah. And those are some of the hardest things to determine. Or, you know, you get to the point of addiction, right? And, and you get whatever feeling you're trying to get rid of or suppressed. Yeah. You can't get rid of it. No. You know, um, you know, I gotta go scripturally on this. There's things like the ways the flesh can only intake so much, right? So the ways of the flesh are like things that you light with your eyes or um, senses or your ego, whatever, whatever you feed faints. Like if you feed your flesh is temporary and in the Bible says you know the spirit first, then the physical. So the thing is whatever you manifest, if you're using things from the physical is already gone. So you have to start manifesting that inward person and develop those inward things and then you will manifest your, the physical you are already, I think you hit it earlier, your, you're you, everything starts with a thought. The plate, the microphone that we're using now was somebody else's idea and they're getting paid multimillion dollars on this little podcast microphone that we're using. But everything was a thought. It was birthed before it came to pass. And you're hitting, I think this is, this is critical to our listeners that you have to do the inside stuff.
Speaker 3 33:07 Yeah. The hardest thing. That's the hardest. That is the hardest. That's why we avoid it. Cause you got to face the reality because the act, cause then you face the reality that you're not really happy. Wish was wishes, what you're trying to portray to the world. You know, you post your Instagram pictures and you travel and you go here and there, you buy nice clothes, you have the makeup, you know, you have the life that everyone wants to live. But it's all perception. But what about, why are you happy, right? Yeah. That is what's important. So, so when you've, you, when I'm faced with that, that my friend telling me and my aunt telling me, and even you, you know, the people that you, you trust that, that you have, let them know, get to know you, the real you, then that is valuable. That made me start to think, and that thinking made me want to then start to, cause I had started to have questions and those questions I didn't have answers to, but you know where the answers are.
Speaker 3 34:18 They're written everything. What it will say was will Smith everything he, he did like, uh, he was in our speaking, uh, he was speaking somewhere and he was saying like, like everything that there is to know is already written. Like we don't need to look there. So Bible, I know, you know, I, I didn't read the Bible, but I did read some books, self help books. The Bible is like the original one, but I went to other, other areas because everything is written down. So if I have a question that I don't know, then I go look for it. And that is something I'm really good at because that's what I, that's part of my job. So I'm very good at looking and, and knowing stuff and finding stuff, finding whatever it is I need. I find it right. So I did that. I, I did a project on myself.
Speaker 3 35:18 So the questions that I was having, I started reading books that started to, eh, educate myself in the areas that I was, that I knew that I didn't have answers. So I started reading and realizing things about myself. I started to identify of behavior because those patterns of behavior are symptoms of something deeper and that's something deeper. I got to it. I got, I started to remove layers little by little until I got to the root cause. And once I know, once you know the problem, that's half of the battle. Absolutely. Now, now I'm aware at least I can do something about it. And that's what I did. You know, I was feeling insecure about myself, but Y you know, you start asking why am I insecure? I didn't use to feel this way. Maybe I did, but I didn't notice. Right. Maybe I did all my life really and I didn't notice. I thought I was super confident and all my friends were like, Oh my God, I admired like your social union, you're like the, the example to follow. So I, that was also something that I was growing up. I was always like the example for someone else. So I prided myself in that. So I didn't, didn't think I needed anything to improve. Right, right. I was so wrong.
Speaker 4 36:42 No, you did. You did the hard work though of getting outside of you. I mean you did to the environment. Like you change your environment, you change, but you know that your, your life is really the scenario that most people need to go through. Like they need to change their environment, change your environment.
Speaker 3 37:02 If you don't like your job, you're miserable. Changed your job,
Speaker 4 37:07 you know? And as much as, but the thing is some people, it goes back to your thinking too, is that you gotta think you can get something different. You gotta prepare yourself for that too, you know, but, but you, but once you decide I'm going to change, you got to change. And once you identify and do the internal work, just slowing down, creating some space for you to figure things out. And you know, journaling has been something I've been doing lately for myself, but just getting into a space where you can say, you know what, I want this. I don't want this. Should I have this? I don't know. But then really start digging into why you feel you need to do what you do. And if you can confidently say, Hey, this is what I want, you know, more power to you.
Speaker 3 38:04 Then w what do you say to people that say, I don't have time? Well they don't have time to not do it right. Cause they're going to waste it. It's a choice. It's a choice. You have time when you want it. Yeah. You have time for the things you really want. Don't we all we do. We have to wait. Yeah. We have time for Facebook. We have time for Instagram because, because we want <inaudible> so when you are saying, when you, when someone says to me, I don't have time, that is excuse.
Speaker 4 38:36 That is a deflection. It's because they don't want to do the work because it's scary. Yeah. Because people are afraid of discovering that they're not really happy. Yeah. It's, it's the other side. I think of it that panics people. Yeah. Cause it's like I've been doing this my whole life. This is what I know. Right. But I don't know what I'll find on the other side of that. And that's one of the things that you, and even on my personal journey, uh, I mean I'm going through journey now, right. Even in that it has to be better than where I'm currently in. And that's the thing that most people, right? Don't, they don't believe, I don't believe. Yeah. And there's freedom on the other side. I'm going to use the will Smith version because this is, it got famous on Instagram, but he said on the other side of terror is ultimate bliss.
Speaker 4 39:42 I think it was in reference to him jumping out of a plane in Dubai skydiving. Oh my gosh. And he said before I knew it, I was, I was terrified. I was about it. He said I was about to get down, but once he jumped, it was the best thing, the best thing he ever did because he got to an edge of himself that almost stopped him from seeing something and experience something magnificent. Right. And, um, you know, to our listeners, if you are getting some kind of fear, some kind of pushback from yourself, some anxiety or whatever, you just have to keep pushing through. Maybe you're on the right path. Yeah. When you find those feelings, yeah. Pain is a good signal. I think fear is a good signal to let you know that I'm actually going where I need to go. How could you even celebrate the fact that you had a great triumph over something that was trying to hinder you?
Speaker 4 40:42 You know what I'm saying? I think I might've said that crazy. But you get what you get what I'm saying? Yes, I do. Because life will be super boring. You have to do the work. You have to really dig deep and look at yourself. And so that's what I've been doing this past year is, is taking a look at what I want with my life. One last closing question. Okay. Okay. There's a room that you go into and sitting in that chair is a 21 year old, not mr <inaudible>. What would 90 Morrow today tell her? If you could only give her one thing? Mm. Uh,
Speaker 3 41:34 the first thing that comes to mind is just
Speaker 3 41:41 keep like, keep doing what you're doing. Because whatever my life, whatever I did in my life has led me here and I am not going to try and cut corners and say to her the things that I know now. I had to discover, I had to go through those 10 years between 21 and 31 of learning of mistakes, of regrets, all those things let me here. So I was just tell her, keep going. You're doing good. You could go, you could be doing better. Eventually you'll be better. Now I'm better. But when I'm 21, I don't think I, if I would tell her stuff that I know now that wouldn't listen. No. That's the thing, because everything has to start from you. People can tell you advice, do this, do that. But if you are not willing to listen or like discover that for yourself, you don't have that, that fire burning saying that like you need to change, then it's all for nothing. Right. You can't, what is it that you can't take the horse to the,
Speaker 4 43:07 Oh, you can't take a, you can lead a horse to drink. Sorry. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. All right. Gotcha. All right, well that's the end of the podcast. Folks. Just want to thank my guest Nati Mar for joining and just elaborating on the topic of becoming who you have been designing created to be. It's a difficult journey to unlearn some of the things that we've been learning as even growing up and as we've been told, but if you get out of your comfort zone and allow yourself to do it, scared, do it afraid with some faith you only need a little bit. The Bible says the grain of a mustard seed just to get started putting the work and putting in the work. I guarantee that you will be manifesting a different version of yourself and it will foster the appetite for you to discern and discover who you have been designed to be.
Speaker 0 45:00 I hope this was encouraging to you. Make sure that you share this and leave a comment on any of the podcast platforms that you use. Take the time to refresh your life. Refresh the life of others around you. Tune in next week we'll have a brand new podcast and you don't want to miss what we have in store.
